Peta interviewed Suzanne Zacharia, a complementary therapist and EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques) trainer, about her journey into EFT and her professional work. Suzanne shared how she discovered EFT after a serious illness (COPD) at university led her to explore alternative therapies, starting with hypnotherapy before finding EFT more effective. 

She discussed her personal transformation, including running her first half marathon in 2011, and how EFT helped her address both physical symptoms and trauma, including medical trauma from undiagnosed conditions. 

Suzanne also mentioned her work as founder of Energy Healers Organization and director of Energy Practitioners Association, where she is helping to develop formal EFT qualifications both in the UK and South Africa.

Suzanne explained how EFT became a recognized occupational qualification in South Africa, requiring 60 hours of personal practice before practitioners can work with clients, and discussed her current efforts to establish similar qualifications in the UK through collaboration with health departments.

Takeaways

• Suzanne's path into EFT began with her own serious health crisis, including COPD and chronic illness, which left her bed-bound before EFT transformed her health.
• She introduces the Personal Peace Procedure — working through 5–10 specific life events daily — which she describes as the most foundational element of EFT practice.
• Suzanne shares research showing EFT outperforms CBT long-term, with benefits maintained at 6, 12, and 24 months, while CBT participants saw increased anxiety and cravings.
• She discusses her work establishing EFT as a formal occupational qualification in both South Africa and the UK, with structured progression from Healer to Practitioner level.
• A minimum of 60 personal EFT hours is required before certification, ensuring practitioners understand pain, trauma, and cravings from lived experience.
• Suzanne explains how practitioners who experience their own releases during training are far better equipped to guide clients through the same process.
• She also covers how EFT and hypnotherapy can work together, with hypnotherapy playing a complementary rather than primary role.
• Growing institutional support — including approval from South Africa's health department and the UK Health Department — signals a broader shift toward legitimising energy-based therapies.

Please note: this transcript is unedited.

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Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of the Fourth Wave in Therapy, and I'm thrilled today to be talking to a colleague in my kind of skill area and research area, and that's, of course, of emotional freedom techniques. I would like to introduce you to Suzanne Zachariah. Now, did I pronounce that correctly, Suzanne? I did mean to check.

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Oh, correctly. Perfect. Yes. Suzanne is a complementary therapist, trainer, and a leading voice in EFT emotional freedom techniques, or as we call it, tapping. Originally trained as a science researcher in chemistry and biochemistry.

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Her career took an unexpected turn after serious illness at university, which led her to explore alternative approaches to healing. She went on to train in hypnotherapy before discovering EFT, or tapping, which she found to be significantly more effective, and so we're hoping to get into that today.

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Suzanne is the founder of Energy Healers organization, and now serves as the Director of Energy Practitioners Association, where she's helping to develop formal EFT qualifications. That is, of course, in the UK, but also South Africa, so we are going to have a chat.

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I know Suzanne's work is about raising professional standards.

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and making EFT a credible, accessible modality for people worldwide. Welcome, Suzanne, and thank you so much for your time today.

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Thank you so much, I really appreciate it. I love to talk to people like yourself, who are pioneers in the field, but tell me.

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How did you come to EFT? I know you told us a little bit in your bio about your own personal journey, but do you want to share with our audience just how sometimes EFT finds you? How did that happen?

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Yeah, I've started looking for ways when my mind was opened, because I was one of those scientists who had a very closed mind.

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And, my mind was being opened.

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I could never work in science because I couldn't do the hours.

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And, I only got a 2-2 because I was really ill at university, which is a miracle I actually passed. So,

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I ended up working in sales in a company that didn't mind how many hours I put in, they just wanted

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The company to have their profit, the client to be happy, and that's all that matters.

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time I went in did not matter, and anybody out there who's chronically ill will know exactly what I'm talking about. So, and there, everybody there believed in complementary therapy, which was then alternative therapy. It was a very long time ago.

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And they kept pushing me in the right direction, and I kept resisting. You know, I'm not going there, I'm a scientist, I don't believe in any of that rubbish, until one day, I was desperate, and I took a phone number.

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And the rest is history. And then I decided, I started getting a bit better with their advice, a little bit better, a little bit better. It's a lung condition, so it's kind of, like, really important.

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2011, I ran my first half marathon. Wow. I am 100%, I'm 100% certain there was no way I could have done it without EFT.

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So, I discovered various therapies, one of which was hypnotherapy. I was stuck on two clients.

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And I reached out to my peers.

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And my supervisor didn't know about EFT, but he was a really good… he was the best supervisor, basically. But he didn't know about EFT, and I reached out to my peers, and they said, you've got to study EFT. I'd known about it for a year, and I just thought.

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Nice people, they're very well-intentioned, but I don't believe them. I love it.

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So, in desperation, I learned EFT, and then I… I recalled a lot of clients.

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And worked with them. I was very serious about my personal peace procedure, and I found out that a lot of my symptoms

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were partly due to trauma, including the medic…

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cultural trauma, where I was diagnosed, et cetera, et cetera.

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That's the long story.

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And, also…

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He helped me use the breathing, basically involves things like taping your mouth at night.

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not only having a lung condition, but you ran a half marathon. 

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Right. It was a lung condition, is that right? That you had a lung condition? It's a lung condition. It's finally been diagnosed as COPD, but when you're 25, it's really hard to get diagnosed, especially in the UK, where the health system is really

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Yeah, sure, and…

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And you said that trauma had… with your EFT that supported you, and you were… hypnotherapy as well, that it came to, light for you that there was trauma in the background, that perhaps it influenced… There was a lot of trauma that… that…

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Perhaps doubled my symptoms. So, another wonderful thing that Gary Craig did in those days.

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He encouraged us to learn similar systems that were EFT cousins, and one of them was allergy antidotes. Oh, tell us about that.

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Allergy Antidotes is, made up by Sandy Dradomsky. It came from N-A-E-T, Nambrijabad's Allergy Elimination Techniques.

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technique, I think. And, one of the modalities that it uses

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for desensitizing as much as possible is EFT. Oh, wow.

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So, yeah, instead of having the emotion there, we have the substance there, and I used it to desensitize against air pressures. I really did my personal peace procedure.

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And anybody out there who has a chronic emotional or mental condition, what I highly recommend is Personal Peace Procedure Daily for 2 years. There are no shortcuts, but the results are amazing. So I went from being so ill, I had

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like, for 3 months, I remember being more or less bed-bound.

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Wow. And went from that to running my first half marathon in 2011, second half marathon in 2017, and now my knees are knackered, so I'm just waiting for medical advancements.

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So that I can run again, yes, yeah. That's amazing, and having run, quite a few half marathons myself, and again, I've retired too, I'm like, I'd rather do yoga these days. I know the impact that it takes, and the dedication and the commitment, let alone a diagnosis of COPD, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, if anyone is, listening in.

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Can we unpack a little bit more about this personal peace procedure, in case some of our listeners might be new to EFT, and I know it was kind of a recommendation by Gary Craig, the founder, but tell us, in your understanding and your words, what is the personal peace procedure?

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It is the most important thing about EFT.

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I own a site, which is my main EFT site, called EFT Scripts.

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So… What I do there… Is explain to people how to form unique statements for their unique situation.

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Right. But… People like to do, we all do, it's human nature, like to take shortcuts, and get…

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a one-size-fits-all, which never works. The personal peace procedure contains many elements. The first one, it's personal. It's about what happened to the person and how that person can heal.

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Peace, it does lead to peace, and procedure means you can't just wish it to happen, you've got to sit down and do it. But, oh my goodness, it is so worth it. So what we do.

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People have asked me how to do it, and I've given many different examples. One example is every day, and I really would not recommend that, especially if somebody's got

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complex PTSD, for example. There is no way I would recommend to them to sit down and write down all their traumas before they were… that's…

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A no-no. The easiest, best, safest way, especially if somebody's doing it on their own, is to every day say, what's the worst thing that happened to me that I feel safe working on today?

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And we're looking at an event. An event is a meeting time between… meeting between time and space.

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It's that meeting point between time and space that makes it an event.

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So it's not something that happened over years, because that's a bit too general. Something very specific, and don't worry if there are a thousand specific things, by working on about 5 to 10 specific things, the effect will generalize over the thousand.

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And so work on events, you can also work on people as you imagine an image of that person.

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You can work on a negative belief, like, I'm not good enough, or I'm not attractive, or whatever it is. So every day, find something to work on. Another thing that I suggest to people, okay, well, if you're stuck, just think to yourself, what's the worst thing that could have happened to me?

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before I was born, that does have an effect. Many treatments on that, that opened my mind.

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What… what's the worst thing that happened?

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Between birth and 1 years of age. What's the worst thing that happened between 1 and 2 years of age, all the way to the current time? So if somebody, you know, can't quite figure it out, this is the easiest way.

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And just keep going. And the amount of peace that you will feel at the end is… is just…

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I can't describe it, you have to experience it. I'm sure you've experienced it, but yes, you out there have to experience it. And I do know Gary Craig termed it the personal peace procedure, because that is what you get out of it at the end. So, let me just, summarize, see if I've got this right for anyone listening in as well. So, it is kind of a process that you sit down. You mentioned, you know, daily for a couple of years, and

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Committing to it over time seems to have such a long-lasting effect, that you sit down and…

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You said, I like that question. What is it today that I could work on that I feel safe enough to do some tapping around, and maybe something that happened, you know, in one of those time frames of life, you know, before I was born.

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primary school, you know, 5 to 6 years of age, whatever it might be. And you're tapping to kind of resolve, aren't you? Whatever your feelings are now, thinking back, that if you still feel affected by that.

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event that happened, or that belief, or whatever it might be, so that if you get some peace now, and the generalization effect that you mentioned.

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That really is about… because you did say, if you write down a thousand things that you're kind of… I always say, you know, if you lived your life all over again, you don't have to work through all of those, do you? Because that is… that's what's happening here.

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With generalisation, yeah.

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Absolutely, and it really… it's so important that we've put it… South Africa was the first to go, because I was living there.

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The health department there found it so important that people learn EFT that they actually supported in every way.

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the whole thing.

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Oh, wow, tell us a little bit more about that.

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Because I know, you are based in the UK presently, but you've spent a lot of your life in South Africa, and you've been instrumental in EFT tapping being used in South Africa. Tell us a little bit about that journey.

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Well… In every country, there's something called an occupational qualification.

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So, I think in my, one of my, communications with you before now, I said.

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Some people want to go to the fourth wave without going through the first, second.

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And so on. And, whereas I do appreciate my mind therapy's training, I do appreciate the hypnotherapy, I do appreciate the psychology, I do appreciate the NLP,

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NLP, I definitely appreciate. You know, people should be able to go straight into the fourth wave.

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And with that, they need proper training.

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And, what happened when I went there is, before then, I wanted to do it in the UK where I was living.

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But through marriage, I had this wonderful opportunity to go to South Africa, which is a wonderful country to live in, and especially in Cape Town, where we were. I was teaching EFT, but I think it's really important

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People come to EFT when they're a little bit older. Maybe they have an autistic child. Maybe their mother is ill.

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Maybe they've had an accident. Maybe they've had workplace stress and were burnt out. And so they discover EFT, and then they feel so wonderful, they want to go out and heal the world.

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Right? And… So, then they sign on to an EFT course.

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And then they find out the harsh reality of life is you have to train to be a psychotherapist. For example, you have to train to be a counselor. We're talking about 4 to 5 years of training of somebody who has to every day look after their autistic child.

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Or who has, has been ill for a while, and therefore.

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Finances are depleted, or they have an elderly relative to look after.

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And so they can't fit that into their lives, so it's really important to have something that's modular, so it's done in modules that you build on.

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And also, if somebody wants to learn it in a university, they can. If somebody wants to learn it in, you know, wants to do most of the work at home, they can.

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And so the health department and the education department have to come together, and that's what makes an occupational qualification.

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And they really had very strict requirements for us. And, they would say, okay, they'll click their fingers, say jump, and I'll just say how high? Yes, sir, no, sir, 3 bags full, so I deleted everything they asked for.

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And so we got our qualification through.

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And we have a wonderful lady out there called Lamise Benjamin. She's a director of the Energy Healers organization.

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Just like myself, we have another director called Soraya Shabuddin. Lamis leads the way with EFT training courses in South Africa, and she is currently applying for her training organization to be recognized

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by the Quality Council for Trades and Occupations, I think it's called. So does that mean that in South Africa, the Health Department and the education department coming together and intersecting with this occupational therapy you were mentioning.

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Is it that they're now recognizing or approving, I'm not sure what the right word is.

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the EFT training? EFT is… EFT is a recognized occupational qualification in South Africa. It's also an international qualification, so if anybody wants to make the trip to study with Lemies from nearby countries or whatever.

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then, it should be recognized internationally. One of the… now, this is the interesting thing, Peter. We were talking about the personal peace procedure. Yes. In South Africa, we're really, really strict.

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After the first…

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learning of EFT. We call it EFT Level 1, and then the person gets the… when they completed that course, they get, a certificate for a year called EFT Healer.

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And then it's after that that they can go on and learn more, they can be called EFT practitioner, and so on. So.

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You have to do a minimum of 60 hours of the personal peace procedure.

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Before you get the first, call it, completion certificate for working on yourself, friends, and family.

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Oh, I love it, I love it. That is just so important, isn't it? I don't… I want to… I just want to come back to this before we move on to the next bit, because

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Ultimately, what you're saying is, I think, what most of us in the field, are also kind of recommending.

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That the amount of work you do on yourself in your training, and you're saying 60 hours here in that personal peace procedure, kind of on your own past.

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That is ultimately what's making you a better practitioner, isn't it, down the… 100%. I'm guessing that's why you've been so strict in saying, no, this is part of the curriculum. Absolutely.

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Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And it goes further. After you've done your second bit of in-person training, or online training, you have to do another 60 hours

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Wow. I love it! Minimum. This is fantastic. I can hear anyone listening in that may have their own training programs going, maybe we might need to, extend the amount of personal work that people are doing. Yeah.

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Yeah. How do you know how pain really moves through the body unless you've tapped for it yourself?

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That's right.

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How do you know how to treat a trauma, and what can happen when you treat a trauma? And about abreactions, unless you've done it yourself?

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You know, how do you recognize what is a trauma unless you've done it yourself? It's so important. How do you… food is an interesting one, because EFT with food is not

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I found this out through just… not just my own personal philosophy, but also working with clients.

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It seems to balance people's… body's perception

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Of the so-called food in front of them.

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So whether it's friend or foe. So this is just the first piece procedure in general, or is it addressing food itself? Both, okay. So we, you know, Gary Craig, in his wisdom, insisted in the first, first, first training, which he then called EFT Level 1,

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That, what we need to do is, make sure that attendees experience at least three things. An emotional issue release, a pain issue release, and a cravings release.

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There you go. So, by working… by people working on cravings for different foods as part of their personal peace procedure.

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They get… their body realigns without all the emotions, with the reality that food is nutrition. Food is not entertainment, it's nutrition.

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That's all it is. Yeah, and I must say, in all our years and years, because that was where my research started, was the food cravings, we never really had to help people tap on wanting to eat

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more nutritious foods, or drink more water for hydration. Purely by reducing cravings, what we did found as kind of a natural byproduct, and I think it's what you're saying.

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people became more, I guess, in tune with their body's needs, and when we asked them 6 months, 12 months down the track.

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you know, how's the food craving? And they're like, oh, I don't have the food craving anymore, and they're like, but I've naturally just felt drawn to more nutritious foods, or, you know, wanting to hydrate myself in healthy ways, but they didn't ever have to do tapping on that. It was like…

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I guess the peeling of the onion on the craving, and reducing that, and it kind of cleans it up, we come back to that sense of self of who we really are and what we really need for true kind of health, I guess. And I feel like that's what you're kind of reflecting back, am I right?

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Yeah, I'm really interested in that research. If I understood it correctly, please correct me if I've misunderstood it. Whereas, initially, the effects were comparable to CBT,

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Upon 6 months' follow-up, there was a difference, is that right?

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Absolutely. So, when we did do our gold standard comparisons, yes, we were getting very similar, outcomes just 8 weeks across the trial to cognitive behavioural therapy, but we always do 6 months, 12 months, and we did do a 2-year follow-up on one of the groups.

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Yes, that is what happened, that at the 6-month and 12th month.

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time points, the cognitive behavioural therapy group, the CBT group, their anxiety had increased again, which meant their cravings had increased. Any weight that they might have lost, they'd kind of regained.

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And all those treatment effects disappeared for them. So, you're right, EFT achieved its outcomes in the 8-week period.

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But then maintained it, and if anything, we measured this one variable, restraint, like your ability, if food… if the chocolate cake's sitting in front of you, you know, the ability to restrain yourself, willpower, and…

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that actually got better and better over time with the EFT group, even though they didn't have to keep tapping, but the CBT group kind of lost all their treatment effects. So, I know it's always really important to kind of look at those follow-up periods when we… Yeah. Yeah, are comparable, because…

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EFT seems to last a lot longer, and without any extra effort, and I think that's the same thing we're talking about. Absolutely, it's the longevity of the treatment, which is not comparable anymore. It's…

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Yeah. Yeah, superior. We use the word superior, Suzanne. Yeah, superior, yes, I was gonna use that word, and I was thought, no, no, no, bite your tongue, Suzanne. No, no, no. So, if someone's curious, and maybe they… they have, too, have a chronic health issue, or…

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You know, they're listening in and thinking.

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Okay, I know a little… I've heard about this EFT thing as well, and maybe I kind of haven't really given much kind of due diligence to it, but I'm curious to kind of go and explore a bit further, and maybe this personal peace procedure. What do you think is kind of a good place to start for someone that might just want to use it themselves?

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A really good place to start is to do an EFT Level 1 or EFT Foundational course.

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And just, you know, one that does include those three elements that Gary Craig asked us to include at the beginning.

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And… because that covers a wide range of things, and they'll get an idea of how to do it. Otherwise, they can have one, two, or three sessions with a practitioner, and then have…

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Have a blueprint on how to move forward on their own.

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Yeah, that's such a good, a good point, that sometimes it is that personal direction where you kind of can learn the technique, and yeah, that's so true.

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And Tommy, you did train in hypnotherapy, you then went on to train in EFT. Do you find them comparable as modalities or approaches? Do they have a place with different things, or do you have a preference of one over the other?

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Hypnotherapy, when I talk to people about it that are interested, I say, okay.

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It depends on whether there's somebody who…

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Everybody gets EFT, by the way. Everybody I treat gets EFT, unless they say no.

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If they say no, they're amongst the 1 in 200, but otherwise, you know, when they hear of the advantages, then they're very likely to say yes.

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Hypnotherapy has a place in helping people relax.

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And… What I say to people, it's like driving a Model T Ford, On the motorway or highway.

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At 70 miles an hour, if it went at 70 miles an hour, I've really no idea.

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As opposed to driving a Tesla, I know where I would feel safer, and I know what would get me there easier and more reliably. Model T Fords are beautiful.

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And they're nice in a collector's collection, but I really can't see myself driving one. Hypnotherapy is an old technique. It does have its place. It does have its place. And sometimes I use it as a reward.

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So after somebody has worked on everything they want to work on, and got it all out of the way.

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Their reward is being sent to a beautiful paradise island in their mind, where they can completely relax. Oh, I love that. You know, so I use it that way, yeah. Unless somebody is just so overwhelmed, or… and also, I would use hypnotherapy instead, although it still doesn't work that well in that case.

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If somebody is malnourished in some way, I mean, people could be eating a lot, but still be malnourished.

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Or they're… they're eating the wrong things that are somehow clogging up their systems, because EFT isn't magic.

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It works with biochemistry, it works with the nervous system. Nervous system includes the brain, for anybody out there.

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So if either of these is being given the wrong substrate upon which to develop, then they're not going to work.

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So that's where hypnotherapy can give people a little bit of relief, but results-wise, there is no comparison. Wow. That's fantastic. Suzanne,

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I think, you know, the biggest takeaway for me is how important in the EFT tapping training, but also personal work, the personal peace procedure is, that it's only going to make you

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a better practitioner, if that is the path that you want to go down, but also just the benefits you get by committing to. And I certainly know it's 25 years ago for me now.

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Keeping a journal of what I was working on in my personal peace procedure allowed me to sort of look back and

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I've told a few people myself, my husband often… he's an engineer, so completely different field, but used to write down the tapping we were doing and things like that. Anyway, a couple of months goes by, a few years ago now, and he found his little tapping journal.

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personal piece, and looked back, and it was his handwriting.

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And he was reading it, and he's like, oh, when did I write this?

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And I said, oh, don't you remember? Because I remember. We were sitting on the bed, you wanted to do tapping on, and so I was leading him, guiding him, but he was writing it in his own handwriting.

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And so, it was just an aspect of his personal peace procedure, but in months gone by, when he looked back and he read it, he says out loud.

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Oh, well, I know I must have done the tapping, because I can see the numbers, and I can see the statements, but that doesn't feel like me anymore.

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And I'm like, I wish I had a camera in this moment to take this kind of snapshot of him, because that's what happens, isn't it? You… you reflect back, and if you have kept a journal, you have a look, and you kind of think, yeah, wow, I'm… I'm not affected by that anymore, and…

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Yeah, personal peace procedure can be so profound in that space. Absolutely. Absolutely. We could even forget that we had an issue with something.

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Yeah. So keep a journal, everybody, if you are listening in and kind of thinking, yeah, I want to commit to this again, and maybe do 60 days, or 60 hours, or whatever it might be, and keep a journal so that you can keep track of that. Yeah.

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Yeah. Suzanne, I just want to thank you. You know, I sit over in the research, sort of, field of EFT, but…

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It's clinicians like yourself that have taken it into countries like South Africa, had it approved. It is a qualification, and it opens the doors for so many people to

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come and train in this modality to then benefit the clients who will come into their world. And that's because of people like you. Like, you obviously married a South African and went over there, but

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yeah, we're able to kind of make that happen, and I just want to acknowledge that, you know, for our audience. Thank you.

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That's phenomenal. Like, it's hard yards. I know what it takes to create these things, so, thank you so much for actually pursuing it. Thank you.

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And in the UK, we… I worked very hard when I lost my visa to South Africa, came back to the UK. I do it. Whichever country you put me in, I will do an EFT qualification. And so, we now have,

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For… for associations, and a potential to, two individual trainers, one of whom you know very well.

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And, the two trainers, I won't say they're yet on board, because I still have to have a meeting, an initial meeting with them, but otherwise, everybody else is on board. The health department in the UK is on board. They've given us the go-ahead to get started.

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And so we're at the funding stage, by the way, so if anybody out there wants to fund the UK process…

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That's fantastic. So is this to mimic the same as South Africa, where in the UK there'll be an EFT qualification, and is it the same occupational qualification? Occupational qualification, so somebody can go straight into the fourth wave if they want to.

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That's fantastic. They don't have to, but they can if they want to, yeah, so they'll get sufficient training to be able to do so.

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Amazing. Everybody, I've got Suzanne's website below in the show notes, so if anyone wants to reach out, certainly if you want to be part of this movement, reach out to Suzanne and her team and connect there. So we have got all those details below, so that…

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Anyone can take this further if they want to. Suzanne, I just want to say thank you. Thank you so much for sharing the work that you're doing in the world. It's been an absolute pleasure having a chat today.

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Thank you so much, I really appreciate it. It's lovely finally meeting you in real time. Thank you. Thank you so much.

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Welcome back, everybody, and thank you for listening in to the Fourth Wave in Therapy. It's my absolute pleasure today to introduce you to our very special guest, Suzanne Zachariah. Suzanne is a complementary therapist, trainer, and a leading voice in emotional freedom techniques, EFT tapping. Of course, that's my world as well. Originally trained as a science researcher in chemistry and biochemistry.

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Suzanne's career took an unexpected turn after a serious illness at university, and it led her to explore alternative approaches to healing. She went on to train in hypnotherapy before discovering…

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tapping, which she found to be significantly more effective in her work with clients. Suzanne is the founder of the Energy Healers Association.

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And now serves as a director of the Energy Practitioners Association, where she is helping develop formal EFT qualifications in the UK and South Africa. And this is what we're going to talk about today. So thank you so much, Suzanne, and welcome to the Fourth Wave in Therapy.

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Thank you very much, it's a real pleasure.

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That's fantastic.

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