This episode of "Fourth Wave in Therapy" featured an interview with Yves Wauthier-Freymann, creator of the Self-Emotional Balancing method, discussing his journey from personal trauma to developing an integrated approach to treating complex trauma and attachment disorders. 

Yves shares his background in psychotherapy and energy psychology, including training with various modalities like EFT, REMAP, and Internal Family Systems, leading him to develop a comprehensive approach that combines somatic stimulation, primitive reflex integration, and compassion-based techniques. He explained how his method addresses both the physical body memories and the mental control mechanisms that can block healing in traditional talk therapy, emphasising the importance of heart connection and self-compassion in repairing attachment disorders. The conversation highlights Yves’ belief that effective trauma treatment requires practitioners to understand multiple modalities and adapt them systematically to individual needs, with a focus on body-mind integration and the role of love and compassion in healing. 

Takeaways

• Combining EFT, remap points, and primitive reflex work can resolve trauma that single modalities don't fully address.
• Attachment disorders, present in over half the population, often require somatic work alongside cognitive approaches.
• Primitive reflexes (e.g., paralysis and Moro reflexes) can signal unresolved trauma and dissociation in the body.
• Allowing the body to complete unresolved movements is a key mechanism in releasing stored trauma.
• Heart connection, compassion, and breathing techniques help bridge body awareness with emotional healing.
• Self-compassion is often harder to access than compassion for others, and requires deliberate practice.
• Genuine connection with clients, rather than obligation, leads to better therapeutic outcomes.
• Integrating multiple modalities allows therapists to adapt treatment to what works for each individual client.

Please note: this transcript is unedited. 

All right,
welcome back everybody to another episode

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in the 4th wave in therapy and I'm
absolutely thrilled to have my guest with

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me today.

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So Eve, Watier Freeman,
I hope I've got that right.

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Eve, you can correct me anyway,
is the creator of the Self Emotional

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balancing Method.

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And of course,
this is what we're going to unpack.

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Drawing on his expertise in psychotherapy
and sensory stimulation techniques,

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he developed this innovative approach to
helping patients overcome complex traumas

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and regain lasting emotional balance.

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His work is recognized for its ability to
facilitate profound healing and empower

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patients in their therapeutic journey.

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And look,
no matter when you're listening into this

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everyone,
there's probably no better time for us to

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be exploring really not just innovative
but long lasting approaches for, you know,

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trauma,
but as well as just emotional healing.

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So Eve,
thank you so much for being with me today

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and thank you to invite me.

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And it's really a pleasure to,
to be with you today.

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It's, it's very early for me.

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It's 5:00 AM.

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You are, I've, I've just gotta add,
I'm gonna put that out there 'cause Eve

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is not home at the moment,
but home is normally Belgium.

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But you are travelling and training at
the moment.

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So I know that you're in Europe.

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And it is.

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Thank you so much for getting up so early.

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I think you told me you're an early 1.

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I don't know if you were that early.

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Yes, yes.

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No, it's OK.

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It's OK.

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You've got a big day ahead of you.

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Yeah.

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Eve, tell us a little bit about you.

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Like how did you get,
you've got a psychotherapy background and

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obviously some of that would have
involved traditional kind of counselling,

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but what led you to,
I guess the trauma work and ultimately

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extensions, you know,
using sort of somatic stimulation style

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work?

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Yeah,
so at the beginning I was in one of my

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daughter, one of my sister were abused.

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So during the childhood so very,
very quickly and early I I,

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I tried to understand why did I end up in
this family?

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Why me?

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Why must I do to adapt to to survive,
control, understand and and so on.

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So I'm, I begin to,
to think a lot about the life,

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the life sense of the meaning of life
really.

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And very, very, very quickly I begin to,
to work on myself.

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So I practice meditation,
I think from my 12 or 13 years old.

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And after that I begin to,
to discover the, the psychology world.

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And it was not very easy at the beginning
because at six I did suicide, you know,

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but happily I missed, I missed it,
but I discovered the the psychiatry and

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it was horrific because the guys stay
without a word, no links, no heart links,

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nothing.

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So during perhaps 15 years,
I was totally in the rejection of

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psychology and so on.

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But I begin a father at 24 and all of my
friends said to me,

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if you are so hard with your with your
child, And I said, no, I'm not.

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I'm not hard because because in the frame
of my story, I was not,

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but they begin to have my friend begin to
have children too.

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And in my mind, I begin to, to think, oh,
they are so soft with the, the,

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the children.

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And so I realized in my mindset, Eve,
it's totally stupid.

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If,
if everybody say you are too hard and you

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think that everybody is too soft,
the problem,

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the issue is in the inside of you.

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So I begin to you to go deeper in the the
psychologist pipe psychology way and

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research how to,
to get out of this kind of mind,

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it's state of mind.

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So that's that's the beginning.

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So very,
very quickly I begin to be trained in

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initially in psychotherapy,
in clinical hypnosis with Bill Hanlon by

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example.

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That's one of my big master and I tried
to encounter persistent clinical limits

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when working with complex trauma because
I realized that, that, that,

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that I lift it's what's not simple trauma.

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It was complex trauma and attachment
disorder because my way to be linked with

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the others was not the, the, the good way.

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So I tried to, to find solutions to,
you know, for myself at the beginning.

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So very quickly I investigated somatic
energy phenomena, Maxiel Hertz by example,

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the the key, the chi,
the also the the body health, memories,

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intense states, the dissociation.

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Because I was very,
very dissociated at the beginning,

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it was detached in avoiding attachment
disorder from for myself by example.

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So one of the funny stuff,
it was by example when I met my,

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the mother of my little children,
Ioffer jewelry, you know, And I said, oh,

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yes, I, I, I walk away from a jewel store.

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I find this, this necklace.

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It was beautiful.

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I think I think to you and Ioffer you.

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And she said, oh, just like that.

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And I said, oh, yeah, yeah,
just like that.

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So no.

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Had you only just met her?

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Yeah, Yeah.

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No, no, no, no conscious.

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No, no conscious of, you know,
it was so she was a smile like this.

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OK.

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Just like this.

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OK, OK.

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OK.

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OK.

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So I realized it was totally funny.

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So.

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So after a while,
I just realized that if you you have

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feelings for this girl and for it's for
this woman, just say,

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say it to to her and you will see what
happened.

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Yeah.

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So we, we, we had two children together.

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So there you go.

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It all worked out.

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Yeah.

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But, but it was a really, really,
really long travel for myself because.

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Yeah.

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So after that I discover who saw the
energy psychology with the DfT.

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But very quickly we realise Bridget and
high that with some clients with the same

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problems or it seems the same,
the same problems.

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For some people it functions and for the
other it doesn't function.

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So we begin to to think, OK,
there is some lay that we don't

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understand probably very well.

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So I, I,
I do again the the training in EFT with

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Michael Galvin at Paris and Tony Brazil.

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And after that I did it again with the in
USA with the SAP.

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I'm the CAP from the SAP and no
explanation.

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So we begin to to go deeper and we
realise yes,

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that's logical because there is simple
trauma,

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complex trauma and complex trauma with
attachment disorder.

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So I begin to just work with this topics
in my mind and we create it with clinical

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FT In 2008.

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We talked with this to Dawson Church to
create FT universe by example and after

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that we begin our our travel or journey
through the the the psychotherapy.

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So I discover remap with Steve Reed in
2008 and it was a very,

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very big shift for myself because it
cured in 20 minutes my biggest trauma

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souvenir.

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So 20 minutes in demonstration at
Albuquerque during the,

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the asset conference, amazing,
really amazing 20 minutes.

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It was finished.

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And I said, oh, that's a good, good tool.

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So a training remap all the stuff.

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I'm a trainer or so.

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And after that, OK,
I also observed that this kind of stool

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could have some limits too,
because there is, OK, there is the, the,

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the memories to, to, to heal,
but there is also the, the heartling.

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So I begin to understand, OK,
if I'm staying in my mind,

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even just to discuss together,
that's not enough.

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So it's heart connection and the the
provocative energy therapy with Steve

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Ways David Lake teach me a lot about the
heart connection and it that's why we

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integrate.

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We integrate slowly connection with the
heart compassion and I work a lot with

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the compassion connection.

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I think it's very important.

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So everything that pushed me to studio
FTEMDR principles ego states works with

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IFS internal family system.

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I'm a mentor in IFS and all the nervous
system approaches,

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but with the attachment disorder and so
the compassion because for my in my

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understanding,
the only way to repair the attachment

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disorder,
it's to connect with our safe inner adult

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state and give love to our parts and and
to repair the the mechanism of the

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attachment disorder through the
compassion, the true love,

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no condition just to be in presence and
and so on.

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I think it's yes, it's the basic.

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So that's why I,
I begin to create a self emotional

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balancing.

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And it was Tapas flaming Steve David,
also William Lamarck in Logosynthesis

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that said to me, if you,
you had to create your own tools because

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you find something and try to,
to arrange these things to something to,

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to a new model.

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So yeah, that's fantastic.

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You've mentioned so many modalities in
there.

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And I know I'll be in the transcript and
anyone's listening going, oh,

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there's that and there's that and there's
that.

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Do you see that?

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And maybe it was part of your journey in
seeking.

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Often I find lots of energy psychology
practitioners are seeking ways to help

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clients as well as themselves.

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All of these modalities that you've been
exploring, becoming competent,

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then sharing,
do you see that they are they all aligned

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because they're all about something
somatic or the body?

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Like is that the gap you were trying to
find an answer for?

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Yeah, So I think in my understanding,
I liked so much EFT at the beginning and

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clinical EFT and TT with Tapas.

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Tapas is so hard for me.

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I love her really, really.

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And I had the chance that she came in my
home several times, so in Belgium.

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And so I just realised that there is the
mechanical stuff,

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so the Physiology and physiotherapy,
so the, the body,

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but there is also the ought to be able to
letting go the, the manager.

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So the control parts.

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Because if I'm staying in my mind,
there is, it's,

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it's impossible to repair an attachment
disorder if I've just stay in dialogues

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parts and so on.

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Because normally with the attachment
disorder,

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the wounds begin very early and regularly
it's before that we begin to create our

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identity memories.

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So before the three years old.

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So it's just impossible to just discuss
with this part and say, OK, it's OK,

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we we can repair says we can do that.

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But some from one of from one of lay
layer of this problem, this issue,

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the mechanical with blocked because it's
a manager part very early manager part in

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ego state.

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They call that the the ego, the self like,
you know, the self like.

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And it's a program.

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So I can discuss with this program all my
entire life,

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but nothing will change because there is
a layer that it's unreachable.

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So I think the the stuff it's just to
come back to the body and just observe

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what the body, oh,
the body was reacting to the stimulation,

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00:13:51.598 --> 00:13:57.423
stimulation with tapping by example
through the breathing and through the,

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the heart.

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So through the heart connection and the
peace observation of the peace and so on.

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So everybody, when you,
when we use self emotional balancing said

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on one moment, Oh, it's like a I'm,
it's like a reunification, you know,

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or it's like a a whole, but it's,
it's very funny because I'd said nothing

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to the, to the clients, to the person.

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And everybody said, oh, it's like I'm,
I'm, I'm, I'm tired.

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And yes,
that's really that because we use all the

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tool,
all the qualities of the other tools.

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And after that we begin to just observe
the calm.

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So one part of me of myself said,
we think, OK,

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whatever the way you use to to keep the
calm in the body.

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That's right.

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So you can walk in in in the forest,
you can just do meditation, you just tap.

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But in the whole entire tools,
I will tap at every second step,

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00:15:04.792 --> 00:15:11.345
do a soft message on the fingers,
use the the remap points and so on,

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because it will ease the the repair of
the wounds, because it will,

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it will be efficient for the, the body,
the body connection with the admygdala

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and the hippocampus memories and so on.

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So yes, yeah, it's amazing.

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And it sounds like,
I totally agree that often the

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disconnected parts or the ones that
aren't in alignment with each other is

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what's creating a lot of distress.

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00:15:42.640 --> 00:15:46.969
And it does sound like in all your
journey and looking for all these

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00:15:46.969 --> 00:15:50.607
wonderful tools,
you've been able to almost take the best

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00:15:50.607 --> 00:15:51.800
out of all of them.

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And perhaps, you know,
maybe that's what has formed the self

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00:15:55.521 --> 00:15:59.120
emotional balancing, you know,
approach that you now have.

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Can you tell us unpack that a little bit
more for me?

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What is it that that particular program
is using from other modalities?

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How's it different to maybe standard
tapping?

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What is it that you kind of is it as a as
a model or an approach?

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OK,
because so when I begin to practice like

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this, it was funny too,
because some people said, Oh,

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if what do you explain?

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It's not what you are doing.

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I said why?

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And I said, oh,
and I just think about this and it it was

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real.

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It was true.

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So I realized that I unconscious
unconsciously,

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I correct some by example the refrain,
you know the refrain,

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00:16:47.164 --> 00:16:52.924
even though I have this problem,
I totally and and truly and truly accept

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00:16:52.924 --> 00:16:57.284
myself and I and had by example more or
less, you know,

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00:16:57.284 --> 00:17:02.732
because for some people it's OK,
but from some people it's a really a

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00:17:02.732 --> 00:17:03.200
block.

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So if you add more or less, I like that.

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But everybody said OK, Oh yes, yes,
more or less.

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So that's unlike the setup statement.

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Is that what you mean?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So,
and by example in clinical EFT that we,

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we wrote with Bridget,
we don't begin necessarily there because

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there is no study about this point.

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So we begin to the point it seems the
muster linked with the problem.

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00:17:33.360 --> 00:17:37.560
So if there is anger,
we can begin to the anger points.

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00:17:37.560 --> 00:17:42.187
You know, if it's sadness,
we can begin with the, the,

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00:17:42.187 --> 00:17:44.880
the side of the thumb and so on.

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00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:50.320
Or if I use a remap point, it's a,
it's a 5 long, you know, and so on.

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00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:54.934
So we related the points with the
emotions, the feelings,

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00:17:54.934 --> 00:17:57.080
the body sensation immediately.

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00:17:57.120 --> 00:18:00.940
So we gained,
we gained a lot of time and just to

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00:18:00.940 --> 00:18:05.220
stimulate the good points at the good
moment, you know,

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00:18:05.220 --> 00:18:11.103
So it's very funny to do too, because OK,
it's anger, OK, anger, it's liver,

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00:18:11.103 --> 00:18:13.320
sadness, it's lung and so on.

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00:18:13.760 --> 00:18:18.080
Rumination,
it's spleen and so on and so on.

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00:18:18.560 --> 00:18:25.323
So we gain time and after that we just
observe as as fast as possible,

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00:18:25.323 --> 00:18:31.040
as quick as as early as possible the the
the body reaction.

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00:18:31.040 --> 00:18:34.852
OK, like like in remap,
if the system can down,

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00:18:34.852 --> 00:18:36.680
just observe the count.

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00:18:36.840 --> 00:18:37.920
Just observe the count.

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The calm is one of the qualities in EFS.

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00:18:40.840 --> 00:18:46.753
You know, in internal family system,
you know the you remember the the hate

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00:18:46.753 --> 00:18:51.966
see compassion, self-confidence, clarity,
connectivity, curiosity,

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00:18:51.966 --> 00:18:53.599
creativity and so on.

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00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:59.440
So just observe the qualities in presence
or the body sensation.

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And if you just take a look on the body
sensation,

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00:19:03.479 --> 00:19:08.760
you have no thoughts anymore because it's
just the body sensation and OK.

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00:19:08.800 --> 00:19:15.346
And you put the intention that when you
are exhaling, you put the intention,

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00:19:15.346 --> 00:19:19.938
not an action,
just the intention to send compassion,

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00:19:19.938 --> 00:19:26.399
comprehension, understanding self,
you know, self benevolence and so forth.

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Just just like that.

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00:19:28.040 --> 00:19:33.640
We just observe if the quietness will
grew up or not.

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00:19:33.800 --> 00:19:37.958
If it's not,
there is some parts or some cognitive

36749a02-ce66-4bde-81d1-1a66db7d2e3a-1
00:19:37.958 --> 00:19:42.361
stuff to to treat like, you know, the,
the cognition,

36749a02-ce66-4bde-81d1-1a66db7d2e3a-2
00:19:42.361 --> 00:19:48.639
the the negative cognition or if the the
calm, the quietness really grew up.

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00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:53.320
We just like,
we just let the the quietness grow up.

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00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:54.920
So nothing to do.

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00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:56.280
It's just nothing to do.

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00:19:56.280 --> 00:20:01.240
Just the presence,
the kindness and and the compassion.

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00:20:01.320 --> 00:20:01.840
I love that.

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00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:02.840
That's amazing.

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00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:04.600
Yeah, that's wonderful.

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00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:10.155
I'm wondering,
and you mentioned it a few minutes ago,

45dd2969-1466-496d-9efe-e6e50c1265f3-1
00:20:10.155 --> 00:20:13.840
I'm wondering about the dissociation part
because I agree.

bb84d6fa-bb93-4dfb-bf29-ed86f01dc2e4-0
00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:16.920
I've had lots of clients in way back in
my early career,

bb84d6fa-bb93-4dfb-bf29-ed86f01dc2e4-1
00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:19.800
drug and alcohol kind of field,
lots of trauma there.

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00:20:19.800 --> 00:20:26.000
We were not as aware as we are now,
but definitely disassociation is.

4be1db77-cd0b-40d0-85e8-1ae2f9b10199-0
00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.438
A common strategy,
particularly if you're a really young

4be1db77-cd0b-40d0-85e8-1ae2f9b10199-1
00:20:29.438 --> 00:20:32.396
child and you need to escape a very
traumatic situation,

4be1db77-cd0b-40d0-85e8-1ae2f9b10199-2
00:20:32.396 --> 00:20:35.924
that that's a safety strategy,
but often can be bought through into

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00:20:35.924 --> 00:20:38.519
adulthood and maybe then inappropriate,
you know,

4be1db77-cd0b-40d0-85e8-1ae2f9b10199-4
00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:42.359
in a conversation with your boss at work
and you dissociate or something.

b574b428-a976-48da-9ab5-50bd5d778eb4-0
00:20:42.840 --> 00:20:46.728
I mean,
do you think enough there's enough tort

b574b428-a976-48da-9ab5-50bd5d778eb4-1
00:20:46.728 --> 00:20:53.370
around how to recognize dissociation and
then how to like how do you deal with it

b574b428-a976-48da-9ab5-50bd5d778eb4-2
00:20:53.370 --> 00:20:55.800
as a therapist if your client?

ef724383-dff8-44ca-8cca-fccc6f285845-0
00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:58.760
You talked about your own experience,
but I I agree with you.

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00:20:58.760 --> 00:21:03.243
I think it is an area where a lot of
people don't know what it is,

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00:21:03.243 --> 00:21:05.920
but also how to help it when it happens.

1c491107-aedd-4b5f-a6e0-7d4a0d709b85-0
00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:11.063
Yes,
So to to stay in the the the safe window,

1c491107-aedd-4b5f-a6e0-7d4a0d709b85-1
00:21:11.063 --> 00:21:16.080
I just discover at 1 moment during the my
journey,

1c491107-aedd-4b5f-a6e0-7d4a0d709b85-2
00:21:16.080 --> 00:21:23.360
I just discovered that there is a
mechanical and physiologist principles.

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00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:26.400
It's the primitive reflex,
the archaic reflex.

87b0a03d-c11c-4f7c-82b7-218a66577d02-0
00:21:26.800 --> 00:21:31.874
So when there was dissociation,
the archaic reflex about the safe,

87b0a03d-c11c-4f7c-82b7-218a66577d02-1
00:21:31.874 --> 00:21:36.040
the security of the people are not
integrated anymore.

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00:21:36.040 --> 00:21:38.640
So there's, they are active.

d7cfa67f-a8c5-4db6-acc8-e240efbbec04-0
00:21:39.040 --> 00:21:41.200
So it's very important just to check up.

fe9b1de7-b3ee-4cc7-bc06-e37353ddb2d6-0
00:21:41.320 --> 00:21:45.183
So the paralysisia reflects,
the protection reflects and the moral

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00:21:45.183 --> 00:21:49.622
reflects moral reflexes, you know,
the implement that the baby is doing when

fe9b1de7-b3ee-4cc7-bc06-e37353ddb2d6-2
00:21:49.622 --> 00:21:54.120
there is a sound and so on the yeah, the,
the protection reflects by example.

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00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:59.225
If you see people with the, the,
the shoulder inside, you know,

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00:21:59.225 --> 00:22:04.880
like this or the knees very blocked,
the you, you know, it's, it's active.

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00:22:05.080 --> 00:22:09.205
So if it is the paralysia reflex by
example,

40ff78ff-3b92-46bc-b6b8-3100b47f5dbd-1
00:22:09.205 --> 00:22:13.789
I I had I had for myself when I was 17
years old,

40ff78ff-3b92-46bc-b6b8-3100b47f5dbd-2
00:22:13.789 --> 00:22:19.839
That's the way that's the moment I react
again against my father.

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00:22:19.840 --> 00:22:21.200
And I said stop.

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00:22:21.840 --> 00:22:27.188
So I remember I had to, to, to,
to took a door and,

e96d040e-3d60-4912-ad45-d628072644d7-1
00:22:27.188 --> 00:22:33.051
and you really gripped the door and just
because she is,

e96d040e-3d60-4912-ad45-d628072644d7-2
00:22:33.051 --> 00:22:36.239
he came with a chair to hit me.

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00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:44.680
And I said, if I, if I fly away,
I'm not just at no, it's no way.

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00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:47.160
So I stay, you know, like this.

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00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:54.880
But I didn't realise that because of this
assault, my body react a lot.

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00:22:54.920 --> 00:23:01.400
And I begin from my 17 years old to my 50
years old, so 33 years.

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00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:07.906
I've begin 10 years,
10 days by month to have problem in my

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00:23:07.906 --> 00:23:12.970
back, you know, between the dermaplates,
the, the, the,

14436dd1-b67f-40be-b2f7-59a012c4ebc8-2
00:23:12.970 --> 00:23:19.120
the shoulder and one day happily at my 50
just blocked my, my back.

afd7db85-b6e2-4609-9112-b2c39847f944-0
00:23:19.800 --> 00:23:23.005
The physician and the kidney city
therapist said, oh, you know,

afd7db85-b6e2-4609-9112-b2c39847f944-1
00:23:23.005 --> 00:23:26.160
it's because you have a lot of muscles
and you are very super.

027d281e-06fb-4aff-ab76-a3765d99fa4c-0
00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.440
So during the night it's moving.

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00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:34.160
You have to do some some movement when
you wake up and it's OK.

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00:23:34.800 --> 00:23:42.442
But on my 50I blocked my my back again
and I had an appointment with a friend

835860c4-ef11-48c7-9955-e6638f0925be-1
00:23:42.442 --> 00:23:47.440
and the the swine said to me it happens
regularly.

fa1eb773-0174-4249-ab0e-b04704763495-0
00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:52.709
And I said, Oh yeah,
4043 years old during 43 years and 10

fa1eb773-0174-4249-ab0e-b04704763495-1
00:23:52.709 --> 00:23:53.960
days by month.

a7233239-76be-473c-a648-bf6bc9fee68d-0
00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:55.280
So it's a lot of time.

7823a725-dfe3-49ad-bb81-cccd1895210c-0
00:23:55.360 --> 00:23:59.166
I said, you know, it's,
it's also a primitive reflex is the

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00:23:59.166 --> 00:24:00.880
paralyzia primitive reflex.

5cb0a7d2-844e-45e3-8024-a3696a70b758-0
00:24:01.280 --> 00:24:08.238
And I begin to do self balancement on my
back like this 45 minutes I was like a

5cb0a7d2-844e-45e3-8024-a3696a70b758-1
00:24:08.238 --> 00:24:08.760
stone.

68000ab6-2388-4d6e-9f31-26255abfeb22-0
00:24:09.040 --> 00:24:15.136
I don't understand how to do the,
the back and you're and just move the hip,

68000ab6-2388-4d6e-9f31-26255abfeb22-1
00:24:15.136 --> 00:24:16.720
the hips impossible.

24287fb4-a05e-4989-8e63-edd9aeb5d6df-0
00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:20.920
So after 45 minutes I begin to understand
how to do that.

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00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:27.577
And immediately my pain back disappeared
and I had to do that during six,

cc4ff073-f443-49c8-b2bf-d0023cb18eca-1
00:24:27.577 --> 00:24:30.680
six weeks, every day, a few minutes.

9e8b6b2e-0659-4e9c-a36e-6c46f374eacf-0
00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:32.360
It's it never come back.

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00:24:33.040 --> 00:24:37.947
So I realized that the dissociation it's
related with the primitive reflex of

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00:24:37.947 --> 00:24:38.640
protection.

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00:24:39.040 --> 00:24:43.064
So no,
actually I begin to check this three main

75510b95-b6e8-44ec-9282-beda3e414819-1
00:24:43.064 --> 00:24:49.800
reflex related with the protection and
the safety and we begin to work with this.

d3410f8e-6f9a-4a21-89b4-f7eca7e3cd5d-0
00:24:49.800 --> 00:24:55.281
And you will get out of the dissociation
very quickly because the the body will

d3410f8e-6f9a-4a21-89b4-f7eca7e3cd5d-1
00:24:55.281 --> 00:24:56.720
really, really relax.

56240f2f-a883-46c8-9f57-a1efdd0de16a-0
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:02.320
We will extinguish the lot of alarm
system alarm signs.

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00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:07.640
So the system will be in more in peace
simply.

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00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:12.446
And after that,
if it's a mental control manager part,

8e386994-c39a-4c6a-86ec-db6bd93c1b9c-1
00:25:12.446 --> 00:25:17.200
we begin just to do the observation of
the calm in the body.

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00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:22.080
And the mental part at the beginning Will
said no, no, no.

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00:25:22.120 --> 00:25:25.800
But regularly it will begin to letting go.

bf3abf44-2da7-4d31-bc89-9a6c3c15386c-0
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.263
And that's why we use also a mix between,
you know,

bf3abf44-2da7-4d31-bc89-9a6c3c15386c-1
00:25:30.263 --> 00:25:34.520
tense and trauma release exercise from
David Bercelli.

90c31604-fb97-4480-8799-01e717ebc47f-0
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:40.310
And we just related this with the
observation of the calm in the body with

90c31604-fb97-4480-8799-01e717ebc47f-1
00:25:40.310 --> 00:25:41.160
the shaking.

ccbabf91-552f-4a93-bc85-3d0dc94dc9d9-0
00:25:42.120 --> 00:25:51.048
So to to learn to the body to be able to
stay calm without alarm system activated

ccbabf91-552f-4a93-bc85-3d0dc94dc9d9-1
00:25:51.048 --> 00:25:58.453
because if we have too much stress too
much long time too too long,

ccbabf91-552f-4a93-bc85-3d0dc94dc9d9-2
00:25:58.453 --> 00:26:01.720
the body learn to be stressed.

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00:26:02.320 --> 00:26:04.880
It's like ipper vigilance.

06f9df06-b1cb-4b3f-aa93-323eaf5eb657-0
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:10.316
You know, he said, OK,
if it's very dangerous to be quiet to be

06f9df06-b1cb-4b3f-aa93-323eaf5eb657-1
00:26:10.316 --> 00:26:12.440
I'm not safe if I'm calm.

1ca3afa4-f62c-4ce7-941c-6401989165a3-0
00:26:12.760 --> 00:26:15.280
So he will re provoke stress.

05045741-453b-4803-bddc-f4b1e1732f68-0
00:26:15.560 --> 00:26:22.200
So with the shaking regularly we can just
learn to the body to be calm and without

05045741-453b-4803-bddc-f4b1e1732f68-1
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:24.840
alarm system activate it anymore.

3de7628d-bbd8-4654-8091-11252339b526-0
00:26:25.120 --> 00:26:28.536
So, you know,
it's like a path you begin to with the

3de7628d-bbd8-4654-8091-11252339b526-1
00:26:28.536 --> 00:26:32.727
reflex shaking, tapping,
and after that we we begin to work with

3de7628d-bbd8-4654-8091-11252339b526-2
00:26:32.727 --> 00:26:35.950
the compassion,
the self compassion to repair the

3de7628d-bbd8-4654-8091-11252339b526-3
00:26:35.950 --> 00:26:37.240
attachment disorder.

59b95c85-fac6-45c4-a3e7-969a9a434127-0
00:26:37.760 --> 00:26:41.026
And yeah,
and a lot of people had attachment

59b95c85-fac6-45c4-a3e7-969a9a434127-1
00:26:41.026 --> 00:26:43.640
disorder without an an idea of this.

54cbd396-0e0c-46ee-8902-5a7a3930b628-0
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:46.560
It's more than 50% of the population.

8812cc0e-6396-4ade-b8f3-ed3cd6904543-0
00:26:46.560 --> 00:26:48.400
So it's very common.

51de5d4a-e5ed-4db5-a6ac-58d0b5bab15a-0
00:26:48.600 --> 00:26:51.653
Like a program amazing and you know,
Besselbeer culprit,

51de5d4a-e5ed-4db5-a6ac-58d0b5bab15a-1
00:26:51.653 --> 00:26:54.760
the book when the body keeps the score
and more and more.

fbd39c52-2a8f-480e-b09a-fd2d99794832-0
00:26:54.760 --> 00:26:55.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

248b764b-8bd4-41d9-a9ce-e7d27792cf38-0
00:26:55.360 --> 00:27:00.786
We hear that, You know, we hear people's,
we've done a lot of chronic pain research

248b764b-8bd4-41d9-a9ce-e7d27792cf38-1
00:27:00.786 --> 00:27:05.696
with EFT and a majority of the time it
does go back eventually to something

248b764b-8bd4-41d9-a9ce-e7d27792cf38-2
00:27:05.696 --> 00:27:09.960
where the body had to do a contraction
just for a moment in time.

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00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.760
And maybe they don't remember that too.

6c707400-0358-44f7-b5d1-f46b59dc10f0-0
00:27:11.760 --> 00:27:15.551
We've done some tapping,
but then the body is able to kind of

6c707400-0358-44f7-b5d1-f46b59dc10f0-1
00:27:15.551 --> 00:27:17.080
almost release and relax.

320a6a07-aded-433f-a230-daf026fcca54-0
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So amazing 2 two months ago I was here in
Morocco and a pediatrist came to follow

320a6a07-aded-433f-a230-daf026fcca54-1
00:27:25.641 --> 00:27:31.280
one of my training under primitive reflex
by the way.

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00:27:31.320 --> 00:27:39.680
And I, I realised very quickly she,
she had the three of the, the safe reflex,

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00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:41.480
non unintegrated.

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00:27:42.040 --> 00:27:46.769
And I said, OK,
if you want it could be great that you do

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00:27:46.769 --> 00:27:48.400
one session with me.

70cb3c57-b17e-4084-a240-047ae620d83b-0
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:53.570
And she,
she did and I discovered that she had one

70cb3c57-b17e-4084-a240-047ae620d83b-1
00:27:53.570 --> 00:28:01.072
of his children drone, you know,
and ** *** had to do 50 minutes of heart

70cb3c57-b17e-4084-a240-047ae620d83b-2
00:28:01.072 --> 00:28:06.040
massage to recuperate the the his, his,
her son.

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00:28:06.080 --> 00:28:09.920
And it was a it was a success happily.

689d2ad2-9909-4af1-95c9-261b24260fd6-0
00:28:10.320 --> 00:28:15.224
But when we did the exercise with the the
shaking at 1 moment,

689d2ad2-9909-4af1-95c9-261b24260fd6-1
00:28:15.224 --> 00:28:20.440
this end begin to do that during 5
minutes like this very quickly.

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00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:24.200
And I just think in my mind what she's
what she's doing.

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00:28:24.520 --> 00:28:30.066
And when I understand what she's,
what she's doing, she said, oh, I,

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00:28:30.066 --> 00:28:32.800
I've not, it's without my control.

327c3927-33cb-4c98-a081-b59e530fe392-0
00:28:32.800 --> 00:28:36.186
It's out of my control,
my body with this movement,

327c3927-33cb-4c98-a081-b59e530fe392-1
00:28:36.186 --> 00:28:38.400
I am doing the, the heart massage.

5b0d522f-f43d-4746-8988-82c1467ee936-0
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:42.980
I'm doing the heart massage again and
they said, OK, just letting go,

5b0d522f-f43d-4746-8988-82c1467ee936-1
00:28:42.980 --> 00:28:46.788
continue to do the stimulation,
continue to do the compassionate

5b0d522f-f43d-4746-8988-82c1467ee936-2
00:28:46.788 --> 00:28:47.960
breathing and so on.

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00:28:48.280 --> 00:28:49.040
And it was finished.

de7b6b40-42fa-4a0d-8a4d-2f90656b304d-0
00:28:49.560 --> 00:28:56.120
She had back pain during four years,
totally extinguished, finished.

ebd4c88f-9913-4997-a2d3-2c7453b5783a-0
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:58.080
Wow, that's amazing.

17506b6b-a271-4f86-9883-ad23e6d951ac-0
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:04.316
And I so I hear echoes like Peter Levine
talks about similar things of sometimes

17506b6b-a271-4f86-9883-ad23e6d951ac-1
00:29:04.316 --> 00:29:09.360
we haven't been able to complete a
movement or something at the time.

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00:29:09.360 --> 00:29:14.272
And I have seen him on stage talking
about cases where with children in the

380eb4c4-18dc-455d-8684-52d53a5be623-1
00:29:14.272 --> 00:29:19.120
therapy was about going through the same
movements again, but to complete.

2e67494b-a918-4c5e-b75c-59ca46e25b79-0
00:29:19.320 --> 00:29:24.113
And it sounds like she was kind of
completing the compressions and then the

2e67494b-a918-4c5e-b75c-59ca46e25b79-1
00:29:24.113 --> 00:29:25.880
pain was able to phenomenal.

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Yes, it just let the body talk.

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00:29:29.280 --> 00:29:32.480
Just I have AI have a policeman.

2f86b001-b147-41cb-94b7-e629f0e4945f-0
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:39.971
He had to kill somebody once and he came,
we did the exercise and he had this

2f86b001-b147-41cb-94b7-e629f0e4945f-1
00:29:39.971 --> 00:29:44.040
movement to take the harm, you know,
like this.

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00:29:44.040 --> 00:29:45.560
It's just though.

acc2b2a1-7a96-48c2-8271-e496ec07bd27-0
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:47.120
Yeah, it was totally amazing.

2508aec4-08f1-4783-93ce-c51a11181903-0
00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:48.120
Amazing movement.

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00:29:48.600 --> 00:29:48.680
Wow.

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00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:50.720
Yeah, that's amazing.

eb7c5886-0a85-4516-b195-84210f4a731c-0
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:58.909
What do you, what do you hold as hope,
I guess for the therapy world in terms of,

eb7c5886-0a85-4516-b195-84210f4a731c-1
00:29:58.909 --> 00:30:02.112
you know,
the treatment of trauma and complex

eb7c5886-0a85-4516-b195-84210f4a731c-2
00:30:02.112 --> 00:30:02.600
trauma?

f7ffc464-75da-43e4-a092-9b86164df632-0
00:30:02.600 --> 00:30:05.688
I mean,
you've you've done a lot of research and

f7ffc464-75da-43e4-a092-9b86164df632-1
00:30:05.688 --> 00:30:10.479
a lot of learning and kind of skill
building and across a lot of modalities

f7ffc464-75da-43e4-a092-9b86164df632-2
00:30:10.479 --> 00:30:12.560
and you've seen a lot of clients.

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00:30:12.800 --> 00:30:16.940
I mean, what do you hold as hope,
I guess if a practitioner is listening in

58243ab6-0331-488f-aef7-5a0db11988f3-1
00:30:16.940 --> 00:30:20.972
or a therapist is listening in,
What is it that you want people to really

58243ab6-0331-488f-aef7-5a0db11988f3-2
00:30:20.972 --> 00:30:22.880
know about the treatment of trauma?

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00:30:23.800 --> 00:30:24.040
Yeah.

9bb570fc-8407-45f8-8b16-d825a5eb55d7-0
00:30:24.040 --> 00:30:31.058
So I think it's very important to, to, to,
to know several modalities and just

9bb570fc-8407-45f8-8b16-d825a5eb55d7-1
00:30:31.058 --> 00:30:37.987
observe the modalities from up from the
hub, from the top and observe what's,

9bb570fc-8407-45f8-8b16-d825a5eb55d7-2
00:30:37.987 --> 00:30:44.472
what's functions and what doesn't
function for, for this kind of people,

9bb570fc-8407-45f8-8b16-d825a5eb55d7-3
00:30:44.472 --> 00:30:47.760
because for everybody it's different.

b15a21d1-8216-42c2-bbfa-ff65c577d735-0
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.905
But there is a logical,
there is a logical to,

b15a21d1-8216-42c2-bbfa-ff65c577d735-1
00:30:50.905 --> 00:30:52.040
to do the treatment.

d2d8eaf1-8230-479e-aa95-d41c8465603a-0
00:30:52.040 --> 00:30:53.680
So it's the treatment plan.

989b209b-aa83-40aa-ac9e-8f654364fb32-0
00:30:54.040 --> 00:30:56.805
So, you know,
and you just adapt the treatment plan

989b209b-aa83-40aa-ac9e-8f654364fb32-1
00:30:56.805 --> 00:30:59.040
with the, the tools and the, and the body.

33bd47c0-1be0-4ea7-b9b5-cf80cb47499d-0
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.934
So systematically, I,
I teach the EFT points,

33bd47c0-1be0-4ea7-b9b5-cf80cb47499d-1
00:31:02.934 --> 00:31:07.400
the remap points to the,
to the people systematically.

cf80ad40-852f-45bc-9d59-20fa963cf93c-0
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:12.328
I teach the the compassionate breathing
with the heart, you know,

cf80ad40-852f-45bc-9d59-20fa963cf93c-1
00:31:12.328 --> 00:31:17.587
like the heart coherence with the
intention of compassion when you are

cf80ad40-852f-45bc-9d59-20fa963cf93c-2
00:31:17.587 --> 00:31:20.919
exhaling and the primitive reflex and so
on.

6627f138-2d1f-4b52-9ab3-14d0b92a49f3-0
00:31:21.120 --> 00:31:24.480
So because our body functions like that.

5006edb0-fb39-4c3d-b9ed-457765cf9aff-0
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:30.542
So the primitive reflex is at the
beginning of the life, you know,

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00:31:30.542 --> 00:31:35.520
I don't know if you know, you know,
the sleep disease.

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00:31:35.520 --> 00:31:38.953
You know,
the sleep disease when the baby could die

e1054275-1da5-49df-bd68-9965a7545808-1
00:31:38.953 --> 00:31:39.680
during the.

550d021d-9ae8-43f2-9fdc-1b5f88253d8b-0
00:31:40.120 --> 00:31:41.400
Yes, yes, sudden.

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00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.240
We call it sudden infant death syndrome.

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00:31:44.280 --> 00:31:45.920
OK, Yeah, it's related.

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00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.840
It's related with the primitive reflex.

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00:31:47.840 --> 00:31:49.520
Yeah, I have actually heard that.

8a7bd4d4-d6c7-4f19-986c-cb2945009787-0
00:31:49.520 --> 00:31:54.705
So we know that the baby need to move
even during the, the, the, the,

8a7bd4d4-d6c7-4f19-986c-cb2945009787-1
00:31:54.705 --> 00:31:59.223
the sleep just to create a connection
between the, the, the,

8a7bd4d4-d6c7-4f19-986c-cb2945009787-2
00:31:59.223 --> 00:32:02.705
the brain hemisphere and,
and be able just to,

8a7bd4d4-d6c7-4f19-986c-cb2945009787-3
00:32:02.705 --> 00:32:05.520
to continue to breathe and, and so on.

76316e6e-fa22-40e9-8a18-fdd44097b952-0
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:13.320
So I think it's very interesting just to
observe that and begin to know better.

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00:32:13.320 --> 00:32:16.680
Whole own body and functions or our own
body.

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00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:18.800
OK, everything is a message.

853f001b-2b6e-4ba8-9660-146098a82724-0
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:22.240
It's a message from the body to the mind
and the mind to the body.

93d0abbf-48fe-43e8-8b1c-ad6eb3488f1f-0
00:32:22.320 --> 00:32:25.120
But it's a, it's related, you know,
it's connected.

c2ba276f-74a2-4840-83f2-b9274c032109-0
00:32:25.600 --> 00:32:30.000
So it's not the body against the,
the mind or the mind's against the body.

2f5b33b1-6cab-4c1d-8d45-1a4548d19178-0
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:31.240
No, it's related.

676e027b-8326-437f-b74a-86ef1b84abdb-0
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:38.136
I think it's a really integrative way to,
to be able to heal the, the, the,

676e027b-8326-437f-b74a-86ef1b84abdb-1
00:32:38.136 --> 00:32:42.309
our own issues, you know,
and the other side,

676e027b-8326-437f-b74a-86ef1b84abdb-2
00:32:42.309 --> 00:32:48.480
it's also the autonomy, autonomisation,
the autonomy of the people.

ad67a5e2-2156-4c6f-a575-01fc83889d7d-0
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:51.760
You know, the tapping,
we can use the tapping by ourself.

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00:32:51.840 --> 00:32:54.560
We can do the movement primitive effect
by yourself.

858cf5ac-a4e0-4e4a-a36c-50313fcec3c0-0
00:32:54.560 --> 00:32:56.000
We can do the shaking by ourself.

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00:32:56.280 --> 00:33:00.400
We can,
we can learn to send love to ourself.

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00:33:00.840 --> 00:33:03.600
It's, it's often the problem.

1f66fd2e-1dc5-42c3-a73a-0438520ea34e-0
00:33:03.600 --> 00:33:07.840
The people can send love to the others,
but not for the, themselves.

fac34d7a-00aa-4128-94f8-fd80b398d5b1-0
00:33:08.360 --> 00:33:10.240
So, you know, it's it's a way to do that.

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00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:10.680
I think.

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00:33:11.120 --> 00:33:17.000
So learn the tapping absolutely.

ba472770-0604-4496-9666-385165600106-0
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.605
And, you know,
and the compassion so you can use the

ba472770-0604-4496-9666-385165600106-1
00:33:21.605 --> 00:33:26.197
self compassion therapy by example for
focused compassion,

ba472770-0604-4496-9666-385165600106-2
00:33:26.197 --> 00:33:29.778
focused therapy from Paul Gilbert by
example,

ba472770-0604-4496-9666-385165600106-3
00:33:29.778 --> 00:33:34.759
very related with compassion or any else
any others modalities.

04d67dda-b33c-48b0-b77b-3e91fdc541be-0
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.160
But the compassion it's the way.

b8afe3d9-6c5b-466d-aee4-33d0482a1197-0
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:41.040
So I think really the the solution of all
the issues.

b9398374-ce26-4caf-a209-170dd9898370-0
00:33:41.040 --> 00:33:42.920
It's love, love, love, love.

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00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:43.560
Yeah.

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00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:44.560
So, yeah.

0b99cb3b-fe18-40d7-9fa2-6f9539b65c1f-0
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:51.360
And I hear it so many times the whole
everyone's seeking or being, you know,

0b99cb3b-fe18-40d7-9fa2-6f9539b65c1f-1
00:33:51.360 --> 00:33:53.360
driven to find happiness.

193c30f7-2c18-4c09-a607-a3b26cb8b692-0
00:33:53.360 --> 00:33:56.674
But really, you know,
many other people sort of talk about

193c30f7-2c18-4c09-a607-a3b26cb8b692-1
00:33:56.674 --> 00:34:00.720
alignment or coming into your true sense
of self back to that place of.

ac4d060c-30fb-4863-bde2-3f8ffdaed170-0
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.870
And it is compassion,
really compassion for all the parts of

ac4d060c-30fb-4863-bde2-3f8ffdaed170-1
00:34:04.870 --> 00:34:09.440
ourselves, you know, you know,
those acceptance, all of those elements.

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00:34:09.640 --> 00:34:11.120
Yeah, I think you're right.

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00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:12.280
You know, it's the answer.

bff6b6b1-28a4-45ed-a7a5-21c1004026ef-0
00:34:13.680 --> 00:34:19.833
I think one of the difficulties with the
compassion, it's also in my mind,

bff6b6b1-28a4-45ed-a7a5-21c1004026ef-1
00:34:19.833 --> 00:34:23.689
I think that,
but it's perhaps it's not right,

bff6b6b1-28a4-45ed-a7a5-21c1004026ef-2
00:34:23.689 --> 00:34:24.920
but it's wrong.

473639c8-4631-4237-8bf7-b09cd0e147b0-0
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:32.280
But I realized I had to follow some Zen
monks in Belgium.

76df8100-50df-4c01-8976-8b1841429e2c-0
00:34:32.640 --> 00:34:35.996
You know,
it was so interesting because one of them

76df8100-50df-4c01-8976-8b1841429e2c-1
00:34:35.996 --> 00:34:38.965
fall in the, the alcohol alcoholic,
you know,

76df8100-50df-4c01-8976-8b1841429e2c-2
00:34:38.965 --> 00:34:41.160
it was totally amazing for myself.

b9598aa6-625c-4ca1-9d62-647a6e76acf2-0
00:34:41.160 --> 00:34:46.765
But I just realized that because the,
the philosophy of Buddhism,

b9598aa6-625c-4ca1-9d62-647a6e76acf2-1
00:34:46.765 --> 00:34:51.352
the philosophy of compassion in Europe,
the teaching,

b9598aa6-625c-4ca1-9d62-647a6e76acf2-2
00:34:51.352 --> 00:34:57.127
it's you must do 5 minutes and after that
10 minutes of meditation,

b9598aa6-625c-4ca1-9d62-647a6e76acf2-3
00:34:57.127 --> 00:35:00.440
after that 15 and 40 minutes and so on.

a349c103-f5b0-4a30-a6bf-4388a9b50218-0
00:35:00.560 --> 00:35:03.286
So it's related with the frame,
but the frame,

a349c103-f5b0-4a30-a6bf-4388a9b50218-1
00:35:03.286 --> 00:35:05.200
it's not related with the people.

2df600f0-2cd9-4f8b-8105-f0bf8efb987c-0
00:35:05.600 --> 00:35:09.080
So and the Zen, the Zen is very,
very strict.

7b189bb7-8b58-4529-b3e0-19d0bd9c5b64-0
00:35:09.520 --> 00:35:14.640
So it's the mechanism, the posture,
the gesture, it's discipline, isn't it?

66500661-0c6b-46ab-8c51-b68b9f20afab-0
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:15.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

7c3b8ccb-c9ae-4abc-a936-d045b967a1cb-0
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.947
So, so we,
if you have some manager in your system,

7c3b8ccb-c9ae-4abc-a936-d045b967a1cb-1
00:35:19.947 --> 00:35:22.920
the manager are very happy to do that.

e416adec-5087-4e7d-a7b0-86d04c68a625-0
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.800
So OK, I will stay like this.

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Send love home.

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And so,
but it's not relative with the heart

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necessarily because it's a posture,
it's a gesture.

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It's not related with the heart.

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So if you oblige some people to do that
for our past,

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the past said how it's again,
I have the I must finish my my plates and

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I don't have the need to finish my plate,
but I have the obligation to finish my

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plate.

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So it will create an inner resistance.

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OK.

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And after a while the system exploded it
and the people fall by example in alcohol

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or in the rejection of every practices.

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So it's,
it's very interesting just to observe, OK,

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is it connected with the heart and with
the pleasure and not with the obligation

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to do something.

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It's very interesting to observe that and
to correct with the the clients because

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if they are in the position to do,
I must like the Viking or victory or

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death.

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It's not function, you know,
it doesn't function.

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So wonderful if this has been a lovely
conversation just to remind all of us

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that one.

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I think if I had to kind of summarize,
it's it's completely OK to collect many

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modalities and really kind of see how all
of them can serve because their clients

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are all different.

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And even though I might be known for the
EFT research,

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I'm trained in so many other modalities
that I actually may use with a client

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because you're right,
everyone is different.

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No one-size-fits-all.

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And you know,
if ultimately the goal is about

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cultivating self compassion and
integration of our own different aspects

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and acceptance,
then when we're more centered and we're

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more whole, you know,
Gary Craig was the one that talked about

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the ripple effect with tapping.

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But everybody you interact with then
benefits from our own wholeness as well.

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Yeah, it's just wonderful.

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Everyone.

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If you're curious about Eve's work,
we have all of his links below.

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You can actually reach out and connect
with him and even, you know,

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be part of trainings and things like that
because.

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And I know Eve really likes Australia,
so he's hoping one day he might get back

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here and we might be able to connect in
person,

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which I think would be wonderful because
people like yourself, Eve,

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around the world are doing such fantastic
work and healing transformation work with

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clients.

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And it's so good to hear how things can
actually be done, you know,

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complementary to each other that you know,
ultimately learn all of the skills and

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see what will work.

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I think it's such a wonderful addition in
our complex world that we live in and

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certainly with things like trauma.

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Thank you so much, Eve, for time.

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Thank, thank you, thank you to you.

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I have the the, the quote of Rumi.

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You know, it's, it's my quote.

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I recuperate the quote of Rumi.

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It's don't plant anything but love.

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Don't plant anything but love.

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I love that.

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What a beautiful way to end and thank you
so much from my heart to your heart

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through the screen.

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It is just been a joy.

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So thank you so much everyone.

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And I do want to mention because Eve did
highlight her that in one of our previous

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seasons,
I have got an interview with Tapas

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Fleming for the Tapas acupressure
techniques.

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So we do have an episode.

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Please go and have a listen to that one
as well because Eve mentioned her work.

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So again,
another pioneer out there in the energy

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psychology wave.

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So thank you so much, everyone.

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Alright,
we look forward to seeing you again,

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everyone, in another episode.

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And please, you know,
share with anyone who you think may

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benefit from this conversation.

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