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In this episode, Dr Peta Stapleton interviews Celina Tonkin about her personal journey with a Desmoid tumor and how she utilized Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) to navigate her health crisis. They discuss the emotional challenges faced during diagnosis, the role of tapping in managing anxiety and pain, and the insights gained from her experiences. Selena shares her reflections on the importance of addressing childhood trauma and the transformative power of EFT in her healing process.

Takeaways

• EFT can transform PTSD into post-traumatic growth.

•  Facing a health crisis can evoke a range of emotions.

•  Anger can serve as a protective function during trauma.

•  Medical intervention may be necessary for serious health conditions.

•  Tapping can help manage anxiety and stress during chemotherapy.

•  Creating personalized tapping scripts can enhance coping mechanisms.

•  Childhood trauma can impact physical health later in life.

•  Staying grounded is crucial during health challenges.

•  The universe may respond positively to inner transformations.

•  Sharing personal stories can inspire and help others. 

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to EFT and Personal Journeys

01:20 Facing a Health Crisis: The Diagnosis

03:19 Understanding Desmoid Tumors and Initial Reactions

06:44 Emotional Turmoil: Anger and Acceptance

10:00 Medical Intervention: The Decision for Chemotherapy

12:35 Coping with Chemotherapy: The Role of Tapping

17:15 Tapping Through Adversity: Scripts and Mindset

20:30 The Journey of Healing: Reflections and Insights

27:12 The Power of Tapping: A Personal Transformation

30:18 Conclusion: Lessons Learned and Future Hope

Keywords: Tapping, Health Management, Wellness, Alternative Therapy, Stress Reduction, Emotional Healing, Mind-Body Connection, Holistic Health, Pain Relief, Cancer, Desmoid Tumor, Chemotherapy

Note: this is unedited.

Peta Stapleton (00:01.129)
Welcome back everybody and thank you for listening in to the fourth wave in therapy. It's my absolute pleasure today to have with me not only a colleague but a fellow co-author and I'll tell you about that in a little moment. But with me today is Selena Tonkin. Now Selena is based in the beautiful Victoria here in Queensland and Australia. What am I saying? It's because I feel you're so close to me Selena. That's Selena is a powerful coach. She combines many years with

training, hypnotherapy, neuro-linguistic programming and EFT of course. She really is passionate about working with women in particular and has a fantastic program that really extends my research work in EFT and food cravings and adds to that some other elements. So it is called the Missing Link and we have all the details below so that you can go off and connect with Selena if you do want to learn a little bit more.

And of course, together a couple of years ago now, we co-authored the book EFT for Introverts. And that is purely because the pair of us are introverts and we really talk about such a great book. And I'll make sure the link is below. How can introverts use the power of EFT tapping to help regulate their nervous system, cope with

Celina Tonkin (01:08.014)
Thank

Peta Stapleton (01:20.257)
unique situations that introverts really do face. And we really talk a lot about our own personal experience in that book. links below. But what we're really going to unpack today, which I was really keen to talk to Selena further about, was a recent health experience that she has been going through, but one that she has used EFT to support her healing journey. So Selena, thank you so much for joining me today and for wanting to

share. Quite a personal story here.

Celina Tonkin (01:53.1)
Yeah, well, thank you for that introduction, Peter. And thanks for having me at the podcast. I'm so grateful that I can share this, yes, personal journey. And as a fellow introvert, I would like to keep this story private. Yeah, it's a private journey. However, because I used EFT and I found it so extremely helpful, I want to share it with people.

Peta Stapleton (02:07.113)
I'll do the sit.

Celina Tonkin (02:22.488)
who are listening and EFT practitioners who are dealing with clients or might be dealing with their health issues, the power of using tapping with very serious health conditions. And I know in my case and in my case of some of my clients, that EFT transform potentially post-traumatic stress disorder experience into post-traumatic growth.

Peta Stapleton (02:33.385)
you

Celina Tonkin (02:52.108)
And that's why I'm so excited about sharing about it. Yeah.

Peta Stapleton (02:56.883)
Let's get into it then and maybe you can tell us a little bit more for anyone that just isn't from the medical field. So you were diagnosed with a Desmoid tumor. Can you explain to us what exactly is that? When did you find out? And obviously, what was your initial reaction to that kind of diagnosis?

Celina Tonkin (03:08.365)
Mm-hmm.

Celina Tonkin (03:19.054)
Yes, sure. So I imagine it's 2021, December, I'm in Melbourne, middle of COVID, the highest restrictions of movement in the world. And I woke up one morning and I have excruciating pain in my ear and the left side of my neck. It's very hard to find doctors, but that doctor that I got in touch with, after some tests, she diagnosed muscle nox.

And she sent me to a good physiotherapist to treat me for muscle knot. So I had many, many sessions. And instead of the pain going down, it actually kept increasing. So I said to him a couple of times, look, is it possible that there's a lump there? And he was like, no, I don't think so. And then one day, now it's like April, 2022.

I said, I can't stand the pain anymore. I really need to investigate more. And I go for an ultrasound and the radiologist comes out of the room and he goes, Selena, have you injured your neck? And I'm like, no, not really. And he looks very puzzled. The results of the ultrasound come out and the same day I ended up admitted in the hospital. So now it's April, Easter.

middle of COVID, but because it's Easter, even less doctors. So, but I'm in hospital, we do PET scans, we do MRIs, we do biopsies, like really some painful procedures, blood tests, and the doctors come in and out. And I have some videos of my, that I have taken after the conversations with my doctors. And you can see my face, you know, like being perplexed.

being scared, being hopeful, being confused because they were coming in and out saying, it's cancer. It's not cancer. It's this, you need surgery. No, it's not that. You don't need surgery. That's how it was. And then after seven days in hospital, I was finally diagnosed with a very rare condition called Desmoid Tumor, which is bicellically intermediate cancer.

Celina Tonkin (05:46.752)
So it's intermediate because it doesn't spread through the body, but it can create havoc in the area where it shows up. The type that I had often shows up after physical injury. So now, Peter, imagine I have this huge seven by six lamp, seven by six centimeters lamp in the neck.

You can see how slender my neck is. You couldn't see it from outside. It was all internal. So this huge thing is now pressing on my muscles and my nerves, hence the excruciating pain. But at least I know now I have a name. So it's like a starting point for me now. And by the

Peta Stapleton (06:21.449)
side.

Celina Tonkin (06:44.418)
This time, of course, I have all sorts of emotions. I have fear, I have anxiety. I feel like my body betrayed me. Just a months before that, my niece said to me, Auntie, you are so healthy, like you're never sick. So my identity is this identity of a healthy person. And suddenly I'm having something deadly. And so lots of feelings. And one of the feelings was anger.

Peta Stapleton (06:54.109)
Hmm.

Celina Tonkin (07:16.886)
I can send you.

Peta Stapleton (07:17.684)
Yeah, is that where and I don't know whether in the time of all of this span you were using EFT tapping, was anger is such a present emotion, you know, even about, well, you were in terms of Australia, the hardest lockdown during that time was the state that you were living in. We are a lot more freedom where we are. Like, was the anger the thing that really

that you targeted with EFT or did you want to let yourself feel the anger? What was happening?

Celina Tonkin (07:51.694)
Well, it's a really great question because I also assisted with the EFT and pain trial that you conducted at University. So when I started feeling this anger, I thought, I wonder what is this about? Because we know anger from the trial and what you taught us, anger has a protective function. Anger releases neurotransmitter that numbs your pain. So in short term is good, but in long term,

Peta Stapleton (07:59.048)
Yep, yeah, yeah.

Peta Stapleton (08:12.521)
Yeah.

Celina Tonkin (08:21.056)
it increases the inflammation of the body. So this is one of the advantages of being an EFT practitioner and having that knowledge. So the anger was with the physiotherapist, not because of what he did, because it was very confusing issue. Even many oncologists haven't heard of Des Mois Tumor. It wasn't because of what he did, it was because he wasn't listening. And he was dismissive when I said to him a few times,

like this is excruciating pain, you know, and he wasn't listening. And that's, in fact, you know, what he did, it was absolute normal for Des Mois Tumor, but he didn't know, but not being listened and being dismissed, it was very triggering. But knowing the function of anger, I could ask myself, and this is what I teach my clients, I could ask myself,

Am I going to do something about this? Or am I just getting angry because it numbs the pain? And so I would tap, I would tap on it. And the answer was usually no, I'm just getting angry. I'm not going to do anything about this. So I let go of anger.

Peta Stapleton (09:43.439)
And tell me medically, did you have to go through treatment from this point forward? So after they, after seven days in hospital and finally come to some conclusion, obviously they find this thing's quite big. Did you have to go through medical intervention for that?

Celina Tonkin (10:00.352)
Yes. Imagine now I'm in PitaMAC, the biggest cancer hospital, really state of the art hospital. I'm sitting here with two oncologists and they're saying, Selena, we reviewed your case. And because such a rare case, like the board of doctors reviewed your case and we are concerned about your life. The lump is two millimeters from your

neck and we advise that you go on chemo immediately. so because by now I have been tapping daily and you know have been tapping a lot on fingers so it's so good because you can tap anytime anywhere under any circumstances and even though I had this on surface I had lots of turmoil and anxiety and fear

Under all, underneath all of that, I was grounded. Because the tapping helped me to keep that cortisol level at a manageable level. So my brain was calm. So when they said, your life is in danger, the first thought that came to my mind was, you're great technicians, but it's actually my life is in the...

hands of the higher power. And I trust that. then, yeah, so basically after investigating and going to a second opinion, I decided to go ahead and have the chemo treatment because at that stage there was nothing else for this more tumor because they, know.

It's not cancer. even chemo, it's not for desmoid tumor, but there was nothing else. So I said yes.

Peta Stapleton (12:02.705)
And tell me, was their intention to try to impact the size of it so that it became smaller and that's what the chemotherapy was about as far as treatment.

Celina Tonkin (12:15.96)
That's right. That was one, that was the hope, you know, that if it works, it will stop the growth and basically save my life. Or in best case scenario, decrease the size of the, of the tumor. Yeah.

Peta Stapleton (12:19.913)
Yeah.

Peta Stapleton (12:35.099)
And to me, a lot of people when they think of chemotherapy for cancer treatment, worry about the side effects of chemotherapy. Did you experience any of that was tapping part of your coping during that time?

Celina Tonkin (12:41.89)
Yeah.

Celina Tonkin (12:48.936)
totally all the time. So I did ask the oncologist, I said what the side effects I can expect and the chemo is called red devil. It's the harshest going the world. That's right. So I know. So but remember I'm tapping my brain staying calm.

Peta Stapleton (13:03.997)
raised dip.

Peta Stapleton (13:10.889)
Yeah, yes.

Celina Tonkin (13:16.852)
And like they say, God doesn't give you more than you can handle. I've got nothing, yeah. And so they said, you will lose your hair. And then they sent me to, like everyone gets education before chemo. So the nurse said to me, you most probably will react because it's a very strong chemo. But don't worry. We're not, like you'll hear.

Peta Stapleton (13:20.019)
Well.

Celina Tonkin (13:44.335)
Bells, you hear, you see doctors running around, just, we know what we are doing. Okay. So I made a tapping script for myself about chemo, which I used every night to program my brain. Okay. And first day in the chemo room and I'm watching the, you know, the red devil getting out of the plastic bag and going down the tube.

and entering my vein. And now we are waiting. I'm tapping and one minute goes by, nothing happens. Two minutes, three minutes, 15 minutes. Then the nurse says, you can relax. The critical period has passed and I'm like, yay. So I made videos immediately for my family, for my little friend's support group.

and for the oncologists in Israel. And I said, I'm over the crisis period, you know, I'm fine. And I sent him the video and the answer comes in the WhatsApp and he goes, if you can deal with chemo this way, you can deal with anything in life.

Peta Stapleton (15:01.289)
The red devil. So does that mean you didn't necessarily feel the nausea or like what happened with your hair? Like how do you think tapping was helping you?

Celina Tonkin (15:16.888)
Well, this is how I think it was helping me because it was helping to keep the body relaxed and muscles relaxed. So I wasn't adding extra pain or stress to my body. So when I was in the chemo room, my body could function at an optimum level rather than being stressed and scared.

Of course, were some of it, yeah, but it was generally relaxed and wasn't fighting. So basically what happened, the hair got thicker.

Peta Stapleton (16:00.265)
you serious?

Celina Tonkin (16:01.142)
I'm serious, know, I went to a hairdresser, my usual hairdresser after chemo, and she goes, your hair is thicker. My hair got blown down.

Peta Stapleton (16:11.588)
my goodness, it didn't fall out. You didn't go bald. that's your original hair all the way through.

Celina Tonkin (16:14.008)
Look at this, that's, yeah. All through chemo. And also what I did was I made a decision never to walk out of the hospital in tracksuit pants and looking deadly. After every chemo session, I would dress up and my poor husband had to take a photo of me looking glamorous next to the chemo.

Peta Stapleton (16:39.645)
Going off the chemo.

Celina Tonkin (16:43.758)
So I did at one stage, did get a blisters on my left foot for three weeks. And that gave me an indication how it could have been, you know, if I didn't actually take all these protective, healthy measures and also dealt with the sleep because I had, you know, constant lack of sleep. I can tell you one thing, Peter, you can survive without sleep.

Peta Stapleton (16:58.024)
Okay.

Peta Stapleton (17:13.481)
Okay.

Celina Tonkin (17:13.646)
You can. It's hard, but you can. Yeah. So what I used to do is I would instruct my body, you know, imaginary tapping. You don't have to move your hands if they hurt or you're tired at night. And I would do imaginary tapping and I would instruct my body once again to relax.

and not to force myself into sleeping, to accept this is how it is right now. So that meant even though I didn't sleep, my body did get some rest through the night.

Peta Stapleton (17:47.847)
Yes, yeah, like a deep sort of rest rather than the sleep, yeah. And you mentioned the script that you wrote yourself for when the Red Devil was coming into your body. What were the words? What was, what were you saying to yourself in the tapping, whether you were doing finger tapping or as that Red Devil was flowing into your veins?

Celina Tonkin (17:50.914)
That's right. Right. Yeah.

Celina Tonkin (17:59.565)
Okay, guys.

Celina Tonkin (18:10.68)
So one of the things that I always say to myself is that no matter what's happening in my body, I'm whole and complete. OK? That was one of the things that I used to say. One of the things, so acknowledge. We know with our tapping, with the set up statement, you acknowledge, yes, I am getting chemo.

Peta Stapleton (18:20.873)
complete.

Celina Tonkin (18:37.838)
And then you accept right now just for today, I'm getting chemo, but I'm curious about it. Yes, the word is triggering, but I choose to be curious about it. Yes, I don't like it, but I can relax the muscles. Yes, I can trust my body that it will direct the chemo where it needs to go.

Peta Stapleton (18:50.121)
Yeah.

Celina Tonkin (19:05.738)
It is a healing medicine. So those are some of the words that I choose to create. Now, when I talk with a client, I will listen to what resonates with them, because these words might not resonate with them. But the principle is acknowledge. I'm getting it, whether I like it or not. So I'm getting it. Accept it right now, just for today, I'm accepting it. And then

Peta Stapleton (19:08.915)
Yeah.

Celina Tonkin (19:35.574)
work with that as much as you can. So the important thing for me, what I discovered while doing all this tapping and a bit of experimenting is work with what you have control over. So I didn't have control over the lump, but I had control over the muscles of my body. So would say just relax in your chair. The chemo will go through and will go out.

So those are some of the things that I did, I tapped on.

Peta Stapleton (20:09.321)
Amazing. Tell me how long did your treatment last? How long were you obviously having chemotherapy? And obviously we're now just to date stampers 2025. So we're a couple of years out of going through what you did. And tell us, tell the listeners, where are you at now?

Celina Tonkin (20:25.624)
Yeah.

Celina Tonkin (20:30.316)
Yes, so the chemo, let me just tell you after the last session of chemo, eight days after the last session of chemo, I packed up my bags and went around Australia for 30 days by myself because I just needed to get out of Melbourne and have some freedom and get out of this atmosphere, like the whole situation. So.

the chemo worked for a certain period of time, but then it stopped working. well, can I just tell you something? Can I just create a bit of, yeah, I'm fine. Now I'm fine, okay? But one of the things that I learned from going through this journey is the importance of

Peta Stapleton (21:13.545)
Yeah.

Celina Tonkin (21:28.34)
in order to tap, to look at what happened 18 months before. One of the questions that we did in the trial often was ask people what happened. Was it before the first symptom or was there a divorce? Was there something else? Well, in my life, my mom passed away, my dog had huge surgery, passed away, my father-in-law passed away, and then

My brother passed away and my mother-in-law

Peta Stapleton (22:00.625)
So that was all the preceding events leading into the...

Celina Tonkin (22:03.674)
The preceding events, my mother passed away, my dog had huge surgery and my father-in-law passed away. Subsequently after that, my mother-in-law passed away, my dog passed away and my brother passed away. But the story is a bit dramatic, but why I'm sharing this is that we can deal with anything. Life is life. Life will give you things and challenges.

Peta Stapleton (22:08.457)
Yeah, wow.

Celina Tonkin (22:32.406)
and it's how you respond to it. the tapping, as I said, was essential of how I responded with all of those events. But one of the things that I learned was the importance of dealing with adverse traumatic childhood events. If you are dealing with something as drastic as cancer, autoimmune disease, or diabetes, or things like that.

It doesn't mean that there's always correlation, but often there is between what happened in your childhood and the diseases you get later in life. Yeah. So I resisted for a long time to tap on those events because I tapped on those events a lot in the past. And, but then chemo stopped working and there was nothing else that I could use. I stayed calm.

trusted. And then one day I woke up and I remember the words of the radiologist when he came into the room and he said to me, Selena, have you damaged, have you injured your neck? And another name for Des Mochuma is scar tissue. And for some reason, as soon as I remember scar tissue, all the events from my childhood flooded back. It was fascinating.

Peta Stapleton (23:44.957)
Yeah.

Celina Tonkin (24:01.038)
clear events from the childhood that I thought that I worked through them. And so basically to give you a context, my mother and my father were war veterans. They were at the front line. They were war veterans in the civil war in Greece. They saw things that they should not have seen. They suffered from severe post-traumatic stress disorder. My father became violent alcoholic. He was in prison for domestic violence. So

My family life resembled World War III. And that programming was to program me to basically end up in prison or suicidal, know, something like that. But I worked really hard through those issues and I created great life. However, that morning, when I remembered the words of the radiologist, I remembered events from the childhood when I would lie in bed totally

Peta Stapleton (24:33.501)
Yes.

Celina Tonkin (24:58.956)
tense and hyper vigilant because my father was going around the house and in anticipation of violence I would tense. Now when your life is in danger or you think your life is in danger what do you tense most? It's Yes, that's most vulnerable part so you want to protect it. So that's where the way and tear of the neck started.

Peta Stapleton (25:14.473)
I was about to say, yes, it seems like that would be the space.

Celina Tonkin (25:27.618)
That was the first injury.

Peta Stapleton (25:30.889)
Wow. And I'm guessing that's where your tapping then went. That you were tapping on those memories from childhood and you know a lot about obviously, you know, how to apply tapping in those therapeutic settings. So you would have been working through those memories. Is that right?

Celina Tonkin (25:34.196)
Yes. Yes.

Celina Tonkin (25:49.086)
Exactly. I went went with a practitioner, I tapped by myself and like I released, you I released all that stored trauma, that cellular level and I started feeling this shift in my body. And this is the interesting thing. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes when you're transformed to that level inside, something will happen outside in the universe.

And it's like the universe reorganized itself. Something will happen. So while I was still tapping on this childhood defense, I received a message from the oncologist. And she said, Selena, do you remember you were asking about such and such drug? Well, the American Association of Food and Drug had approved the drug. The first Ava drug for Desmojtumor, first time ever. And we applied, we got it.

Peta Stapleton (26:39.273)
wow.

Celina Tonkin (26:47.406)
I took the drug, I continued tapping and then lump has almost gone. I can actually see my neck, MRIs.

Peta Stapleton (26:56.925)
There you go. So we're now a couple of years down the track. We've got access to that medication, still kept tapping, but obviously it's been able to work positively and well. now you're almost kind of without the Desmond Tumor scar tissue and living life.

Celina Tonkin (27:00.013)
Yeah.

Celina Tonkin (27:12.91)
That's right.

Living like I can actually turn my away. No, no, no pain. And yeah, so I returned the flexibility in the neck. so keep an open mind. I know what you're dealing with. If you can find a way to stay calm for me, it was stopping. I hope it's stopping for, you know, for for not personally you, but I know you love tapping, you know.

Peta Stapleton (27:18.282)
wow, no pain.

Peta Stapleton (27:30.312)
Yeah

Celina Tonkin (27:44.91)
I hope it's stopping for you to keep staying calm, no matter what the situation, because the answer might come, and will come eventually. Yeah.

Peta Stapleton (27:56.499)
And it sounds like in such a moment of despair, any kind of cancer diagnosis can obviously result in shock and disbelief and even kind of denial for a lot of people. And obviously then, traditional medical treatments that you're absolutely right, you did mention, it was the medicine that was gonna be part of the healing process. But it sounds like tapping.

allowed you to stay calm in the face of all of that, keep the body in a calm physiological state as well, like cortisol and inflammation and things like that, because we've got all the studies that show that's the outcome. And that it's made a really powerful difference by the sounds of it.

Celina Tonkin (28:42.222)
Well, it did because no matter what was going on on the surface, and I'm telling you, it wasn't easy. It wasn't like I was happy chappy. No, but I had this sense of being grounded. And with that, the sense of hope and an answer will come and the sense of acceptance just for today, this is how it is.

and then we'll see what tomorrow will bring. But when you can keep your body calm to that extent, then the energy, I use the energy to continue walking. I walked every day more than 10,000 steps a day like I always did. Every morning, Peter, before chemo, on the day of chemo, the day after, I went for my coffee like I always did. So that is the power of the tapping. I didn't disperse the energy.

It didn't turn into stressful energy. It didn't cloud my mind. We know with mere stress, the blood drains from the brain. can't make you feel stupid because you're stupid. There's no blood to think. But when you tap and you keep the cortisol level at manageable level, you can make more clear decisions.

that are serving you. So that's what happened. Inside of that, could make fairly good decisions for my life.

Peta Stapleton (30:18.887)
Yeah, Selena, what a powerful story. you know, often people would never look back and want to go through it all again just to learn the lessons that might have emerged out of it. But what a gift, perhaps tapping was through that whole journey, you know, even though it was during lockdown and and even the ability to kind of go back and be able to work through some of the childhood stuff that maybe still was having an impact there, you know, at

Celina Tonkin (30:33.806)
Mmm. Mmm.

Hmm

Celina Tonkin (30:47.235)
Yeah.

Peta Stapleton (30:47.451)
At that physiological level, we know there's such fabulous books out there about, you know, the body keeps the score by Bessel van der Kolk or, you know, when the body says no and things like that, that, truly, you know, all of this stress can be physically within us and tapping being, you know, such a wonderful tool that you already had in your life that you were able to use during this whole journey.

Celina Tonkin (31:10.798)
I did and you know, by the way, I have those three books. I have your book, The Body Keeps the Score. Your book is here.

Peta Stapleton (31:16.687)
there you go. Wonderful, Jill. Look at that. How wonderful. That was purely just my guess.

Celina Tonkin (31:28.898)
So funny. Well, there's the other one. There you are.

Peta Stapleton (31:32.009)
Yeah, yeah, Bessel's book just, you know, he was ahead of his time really indicating how much stress and trauma is stored in the body and then waits for the right moment perhaps to resurface.

Celina Tonkin (31:48.554)
And then as I said, it was very interesting that I did a assisted trial, the pain trial. So I had really clarity also which questions to ask, what to look for, to let go of that resistance to look at the childhood events again, because I worked so hard in the past. And all that was very helpful.

Yes. And thank you, Peter, like you, you know, with all the research you do for an introverted mind like me, I'm skeptical and I need the research as well. you know, we can go on your website and, know, I have told me the pain doctors, the cancer hospital, I told them what helps me and I I refer everyone to your website. So, yes, it's good.

Peta Stapleton (32:28.169)
Happy to help.

Peta Stapleton (32:44.105)
Thank you so much, Salida. And look, thank you for sharing this story. There might be someone listening in who hasn't explored tapping or might be going through some sort of health crisis themselves and maybe might go off and explore a little bit more just about how you can keep the body calm through some of these, yeah, definitely fourth wave, but somatic body processes just to help whatever else you have to go through from a medical treatment point of view.

Celina Tonkin (32:46.958)
Thank

Peta Stapleton (33:13.417)
for mind and body. So thank you so much for sharing this story today.

Celina Tonkin (33:18.53)
Yeah, absolute pleasure. And yeah, let's hope it helps someone. If it helps one person, I'll be very happy. Thank you, Pita. Thanks for having

Peta Stapleton (33:26.409)
No, you, Selena. And I absolutely hope there's another book that perhaps you'll put this in writing one day and share this story. There you go. There's my challenge.

Celina Tonkin (33:34.478)
Anything is possible.

Peta Stapleton (33:36.937)
I love it. love it. Thanks so much, Selena. And hope you listen in again to another episode, everyone. And we'll see you again in the fourth wave of therapy.

Celina Tonkin (33:46.68)
Beautiful, bye for now.

Dr Peta and Celina's book, 'EFT for Introverts' - https://www.amazon.com.au/Tapping-Introverts-Relationships-Introspective-Overstimulation-ebook/dp/B07BRBLW5G 

Train with Celina: https://celinatonkin.com/